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Raviolius
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Post subject: Trance Trouble Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:54 pm |
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I'm having problems falling into a trance. Are there any helpful ideas or exercises that could help me?
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Briganta
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:36 am |
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The groundwork for trance state is meditation. As you get used to meditation and learn to go deeper then you can try getting into the trance state.
Always begin with some breathing exercises and make sure you're relaxed. Make a point of dumping, in some way, your troubles and stressors - for this you can visualize dropping all your troubles into a big box that has a key and locking them inside. Then you're ready for meditation.
To go deeper imagine yourself walking down steps or going down in an elevator. Eventually this should lead you to going into trance.
Briganta
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Raviolius
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:55 am |
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Thank you. I thought I was ready, but I obviously need more exercise first.
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T.Q.Blackthorn
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:47 am |
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Besides meditation, as very well Briganta put it, there are also ways to achieve trance by chanting, drumming or dancing, and than there are the plants - the big journey (this needs some special preparations before). Most of the times, most of them require fasting, special places away from the daily stress and some need assistance (especially the etheogenic ones). Also, give them time, don't rush anything, and also have a very specific intention. Might seem funny, but visit the toilet before starting to shake. And have some assistance from someone experienced, who can supervise you just in case. Spirit world is not the Garden of Eden precisely..
And something more (please, don't feel offended, it is not my intention) : you have to have "the call" to achieve a proper shamanic trance state.
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Raviolius
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:59 pm |
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Okay, thank you. The big trouble is finding a real life person to help lol. Everyone around her is atheist or Christian.
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Heathen Haegtesse
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:34 pm |
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I've just been re-reading a good little intro to shamanism called "Secrets of Shamanism - tapping the Spirit power within you" which has some really good introductory exercises in it. One, designed to develop the shamanic senses, asks you to take something natural like an apple or other piece of fruit and envision what it looks like in your mind's eye first, then smell it, and bite into it and imagine the taste of it - all just using your inner senses. I found these exercises really worked when I first tried them years ago, as if they prime the mind to experience journeying.
At times I still get what I call a "case of the fuzzy wuzzies" which is basically where there seems to be loads of different distractions, the imagery etc on the journey is all distorted (hence the term "fuzzy wuzzy"), and I feel like it's taking me ages to see what it is I'm supposed to see, or it just all seems "wrong" somehow. During these sort of trances (where I wonder if I'm in trance properly at all) I find that just standing still in the midst of the journey and focusing on something I can see clearly, and touching it as a support kind of thing, really helps the rest of it gradually unfurl in a much clearer way. Touching the ground of wherever you are on the journey also helps. I've found it's often anxiety which causes the "fuzzy wuzzies" and dealing with whatever it is that is making you anxious helps considerably. Sometimes I've found part of me doesn't want the journey to "flow" spontaneously as it should, because I'm scared of seeing something I don't want to know LOL! I'll usually ask for guidance on the matter as in "what am I so scared of here, and what can I do?" - often I'll be shown soemthing which helps, or will be advised to do a divination on my return.
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Raviolius
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:55 pm |
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That apple technique seems helpful, thanks!
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Torey
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:24 am |
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I just wanted to ask - what manner of "trance" are you talking about achieving? Because Briganta is correct in regards to inhibitive trance techniques (meditation being a means to achieve this state) - but within the context of Shamanic journey, techniques that consist of repetitive, often vigorous, motion or sound are used to achieve the proper state necessary for Otherworlds journeying. Hence why drumming, dancing, rocking, etc. are often discussed.
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Elia V
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:06 am |
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Raviolius wrote: Okay, thank you. The big trouble is finding a real life person to help lol. Everyone around her is atheist or Christian. Excuse me ~ each member here is a real person, maybe on different paths but real none the less, TQ, Briganta, and Torey give good advice for your problem. You were a little vague with your question.
Raviolius wrote: I'm having problems falling into a trance. Are there any helpful ideas or exercises that could help me?
They answered what you ask (lol)
My opinion ~ If you know how to meditate you should be able to reach your goal, if you dont know how to meditate you need to start with the basics and learn grounding, centering, and clearing your mind. A trance state ~ review Toreys and TQ's answer.
May I ask what kind of trance do you wish it achieve, and for what purpose?
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Raviolius
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:52 am |
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I wanna get to know my totem animal, as I read a sort of trance was required. I actually found these answers to be quite helpful.
And I meant no disrespect. Of course you guys are real people! What I meant was finding close practitioners, whom I know outside of the internet.
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T.Q.Blackthorn
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:46 am |
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Your totem animal will reveal itself, weather in trance or not, you just have to pay close attention to your daily events/environment. IMO, before achieving a shamanic trance, you have to learn the "basics" (you need wings before starting to fly, init?) . Try to learn more things about trance, it is not a thing to be taken lightly. As for the help, any person would do if you can't find an experienced one. Just that you have to know how to instruct them to help you, which leads again to learn more...
A proper trance requires, amongst other things (preparation) : self put aside, fasting, sleep deprivation sometimes, a special place to have the trance (can be seen as a door between the worlds), mustering some valour, as you are entering an unknown realm, with a totally different geography and rules and unknown entities ( some of the "spirits" are hostile, all of them are tricky, and some might want to trap you there) ...and intention (well established and stated), because there is no pleasure trip to the other world... With the time, you might make allies/friends there..
A tip: the fact that the other world is inside you (if you have "the call" ) doesn't make it less real, so see those preparation as preparations for a trip to Antarctica, or to Venus. The help person (especially for a "noob" ) serves as rescue shuttle....
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Elia V
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:34 am |
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Sorry I mistook your meaning
Totem Animals ~ These are the cards I bought http://www.amazon.com/Medicine-Cards-Di ... cine+cards
Their is a one time spread you can do to find your totem animals, this is not the only way to find them, but I was amazed at the results I got for mine. It will give you East, South, West, North, above, below, and with in, then you can choose the Right & Left these walk with you always. As a matter of fact a dragonfly was on my deck with me all day. The dragonfly is my animal in the east, it guides me to my greatest spiritual challenges and guards my path in illumination. Dragonfly Medicine always beckons me to seek out the parts of my habits which need to change. So seeing it around me all day I knew (and im working on) old habits I need to change, especially in my Physic development, and Tarot work. I also have all my totem animals in a shadow window box.
You could try it and just see if it suits you, or you can wait to find one you connect with. These cards do give very good descriptions of the animal medicine you will receive, it was recommended to me by a dear friend, and it worked very well for me. ~ Elia
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Raviolius
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:22 am |
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Joined: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:16 am Posts: 17
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Thank you both. I have been feeling drawn to the hawk and seem to see it more, but I really want confirmation and not go after something just because it shows up and looks pretty, you know?
Anyway, your advice (everyone's) has been very helpful and calming. I tend to think I'm doing it wrong if things don't happen right away, so it's very comforting to see its normal.
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T.Q.Blackthorn
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:25 am |
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Xtians say that patience is a virtue and I tend to agree with them.. 
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Post subject: Re: Trance Trouble Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:02 pm |
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T.Q.Blackthorn wrote: Xtians say that patience is a virtue and I tend to agree with them..  I second that TQ ~ patience is definitely a virtue as one must crawl before walking,,,,and thank you Elia for the complement regarding the Medicine cards as I have found them to be wonderful guides throughout the years
Between the advice you have been given here and possibly using the Medicine cards to aid you in your journey to familiarizing yourself with animal totems I think you will do just fine Raviolius
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