Helela, I'm afraid that this has confused me a little.

What do you mean by Herme's Clan? Where is this mentioned?

Could you perhaps quote the sections you're specifically referring to? An Urt can be taken, it's just extremely uncommon. But as I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, I'm hesitant to answer anything, my apologies.

So exactly how is the urt taken, even though it is extremely rare. And the misunderstanding about my question, Sorry Ravenari, is this written by Khelone: She wrote here in this thread: " It's part of why I feel I was being more than a little clueless to not realize that I was pf Herme's claim. Sorry, not clan. gtm. Blessed be you. Helela

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Ah I get you now.

Well it depends, sometimes you get well-trained shamanists who - for malicious reasons - decide that they might want to cause lasting harm to someone else by fragmenting their spirit and sealing those fragments away. They may do it by calling upon demons from the underworld, or even by creating servitors or fetches (like creating familiars specifically for a purpose) in order to carry this sort of work out.

Sometimes it can also happen as a side effect from a bad curse or something similar, though this is uncommon.

And sometimes urt fragments can be taken just be spending too much time around a super possessive person. But this isn't a conscious 'taking' so much as a subconscious effect from being around someone who is possessive and draining. Eventually it is almost like their energy comes to possess and dominate you.

The fact is, there aren't that many 'well-trained' shamans out there, let alone ones who actually want to harm other people's souls. Thankfully most people today are drawn to shamanism to heal and serve, not harm and hurt. But in the past you had malicious shamans as well as those who healed, and so it was important to know that some shamans would attempt to sever souls in order to gain power over those they may feel threatened by.

I'm sure there are other ways too.

Have you met my mother? Seriously, this explains a lot about my childhood and growing up. As a later teen, 15-19 we lived a 10 minute bus ride away from the city and I would not go there on my own unless there was someone there to meet me. I had a fear that the world was a terrifying place to be and just not safe at all. It took me decades to feel safe. My healing started when I was 22 and told my mother to start treating me like an adult.

I still have aspects of myself that finds the idea of having to 'look after myself' in the world scary. Less so now because I have sought out experiences where I've had to take care of myself. Funny how I've never feared the spirtual realm, but have always been scared of this one.

Sage

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I understand a lot of where it came from for her. Bad childhood of her own and traumatic experiences when she was a teenager. For the most part I've forgiven her and moved on, but there are still shadow elements.

It used to amaze me the number of survivors of sexual abuse I ran across, until I recalled memories myself. Its a kind of like attracting like I think. Maybe the hurt souls recognise each other?

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You might want to take a look at "Fire in the Head: Shamanism and the Celtic Spirit" by Tom Cowan.
It has some interesting theories about possible connections between Celtic history, mythos and shamanic practices. You might also want to check Cowan's website (http://riverdrum.com/) for related information.

Be well.

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Thankyou Ravenari, this post is amazing. I would be really interested in finding someone who could help me in this, would you know how to go about that??

Blessings

Mel
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Help you in what sense? Do you wish to receive a soul retrieval? Or to start training etc?

There are some places that do relatively inexpensive classwork, but they're uncommon because many shamans are drawn to working on a one on one basis, rather than on a class basis.

In the soul retrevial part. From reading about this, I think it is very likely that some of my soul is lost.

Mel
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There are some people who will do distance soul retrievals, or at the very least journey to check it out. I do this myself, though currently I already have a client waiting for some journeying and I am unwilling to take on another until I've journeyed on her behalf.

If you google "soul retrieval" you will find quite a few services that charge a lot, but in amongst all that you will also find places that do not charge too much, or alternatively allow you to look at a form of barter or take into account your current financial state. It is something to consider.

But in the meantime, you can also consciously address what you've lost, what and what triggered it, and how you could look after that part of yourself if it came back again. A lost soul fragment won't re-integrate with a body / person unless that person has compassion and love to give. Some people aren't ready, but many people who are starting to look for soul retrieval are, it's something to consider.

Brilliant, Thanks

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Arianwen

There is a reason why so many people tend to experience a sense of closure once a family member dies, and that is often because parts of the Urt that have been taken by the loved one tend to return upon death. Though assimilation can take a while, many people tend to feel a new lease of life and in shamanism this is explained as having parts of yourself returned to you.

The otherworlds contain the worlds of the dead, if someone dies, they are still able to be found, talked to, experienced, and worked with. They don't 'disappear.'

While there are some worlds of the dead that not all shamans can travel to, urts can be brought back via the help of gods, assistant spirits etc. Or even just through a person's passion to heal themselves and find all the missing pieces of themselves.

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Arianwen