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Wyrdwitch
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Post subject: Lucidity and Contact. (Survey, not advice.)  Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:38 pm |
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I can't think of a better place to post this than a Wiccan forum with a subforum dedicated to dreaming, which is good, because I've been wondering for a while.  I've been asked not to actively attempt to have a lucid dream by Sobek-Ra, so I'm after some third-party tidbits.
 Are you capable of lucid dreaming at the present time? Have you ever been capable of lucid dreaming in the past, and/or are you currently learning to dream lucidly?
If you are capable of lucid dreaming, do you use this time to contact either your deity/ies, totem animal or spirit guides? Do you use this time to contact ancestors? Do you use this time for any spiritual purpose at all, or do you just "play" with your dreams?
If you answered 'yes' to the above, do you believe that it is an out-of-body experience, or do you believe that you remain within the realms of your own layers of consciousness, and the being comes to you on a new level of communication? If you answered 'no', what do you think it would be if you did it?
If you are not capable of lucid dreaming, or you don't use it to contact spiritual beings, do you believe that it is possible to do so? Do you believe that it is fruitful to do so? Do you think that the spiritual beings which you are personally attached to would be open to contact through a dream? (For example, would your deity or spirit guide just call you "stupid" for "wasting a good night's sleep"? That's Sobek-Ra's opinion of the idea of me ever trying it!  )
_________________ Daughter of Sobek-Ra. Student of Crowley's Thoth Tarot.Assisted Trance Journeywoman. Queen of Sparkles. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
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Elia V
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:13 pm |
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Quote: Are you capable of lucid dreaming at the present time? Have you ever been capable of lucid dreaming in the past, and/or are you currently learning to dream lucidly?
Ive had a few, but vivid dreams are more common to me (when I dream) mostly I cant remember my dreams.Quote:
If you are capable of lucid dreaming, do you use this time to contact either your deity/ies, totem animal or spirit guides? Do you use this time to contact ancestors? Do you use this time for any spiritual purpose at all, or do you just "play" with your dreams?
It would be a nice way to do your spiritual work.Quote: If you answered 'yes' to the above, do you believe that it is an out-of-body experience, or do you believe that you remain within the realms of your own layers of consciousness, and the being comes to you on a new level of communication? If you answered 'no', what do you think it would be if you did it?
No OBE are totally different than lucid or vivid dreamingQuote: If you are not capable of lucid dreaming, or you don't use it to contact spiritual beings, do you believe that it is possible to do so? Do you believe that it is fruitful to do so? Do you think that the spiritual beings which you are personally attached to would be open to contact through a dream? (For example, would your deity or spirit guide just call you "stupid" for "wasting a good night's sleep"? That's Sobek-Ra's opinion of the idea of me ever trying it! )
Anyone can learn lucid dreaming there are many good books on the subject, it take time and dedication. Many Deities come to us in dreams, and no I dont think it would be stupid to work on this if it interest you. _________________  ~ PM ME ANYTIME ALWAYS GLAD TO HELP ~ ~ It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live ~
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Wyrdwitch
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:18 pm |
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Elia V wrote: Anyone can learn lucid dreaming there are many good books on the subject, it take time and dedication. Many Deities come to us in dreams, and no I dont think it would be stupid to work on this if it interest you.[/color] Thanks for answering! I think that I must have phrased the last question poorly, though - the intention of the question is to find out whether the spiritual beings in your life (such as deities, spirit guides, etc.) would be alright with you lucid dreaming for the explicit purpose of contacting them specifically. For example, personally, Sobek-Ra doesn't want me to._________________ Daughter of Sobek-Ra. Student of Crowley's Thoth Tarot.Assisted Trance Journeywoman. Queen of Sparkles. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
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Elia V
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:28 am |
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Yes they would, thats one way they will use to contact you, in a dream state or meditation. Some will just show you signs, such as numbers that pertain to them, or animals, you may see these for days after working with them.
Ive never heard of Sobek-Ra, but if that is something he doesn't want you to do then dont. What tradition is Sobek-Ra? (or she)
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Elia V
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:06 am |
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Quote: Sobek-Ra. Sobek-Ra is a syncretisation of the Egyptian crocodile deity Sobek, Lord of the Waters, He Who Made the Herbage Green, and the Egyptian sun deity Ra, Lord of All Creation, Father of The Gods. Sobek-Ra relates to every part of my life, spiritual and mundane, and it is to him that I owe all the credit for who I am today. I relate to Sobek-Ra on so many levels, both trivial and deeply personal: crocodiles are my favourite animal, and I am an Egyptian desert cat therianthrope (a person who is spiritually, in some way, a non-human animal). Sobek is a crocodile-headed deity, and Ra is sometimes depicted as an Egyptian desert cat, especially when slaying Ap-p. Sobek-Ra typically appears as a crocodile-headed man crowned by a solar disk.
I found it ~ All I can say is if he doesn't want you to contact him through dreaming then dont, you should not disregard their wishes.
How is it you usually work with them?_________________ ~ PM ME ANYTIME ALWAYS GLAD TO HELP ~~ It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live ~
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Wyrdwitch
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:57 am |
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Sobek-Ra is a syncretised Egyptian deity. I just want to make it very clear, however, that I not asking for advice or 101 beginner's information. I really don't know how you got that idea, as I've already tried to explain exactly what I meant - I am asking for personal experiences with personal deities. I am not asking for advice. I'll edit my initial title to prevent people from giving me unwanted advice again, hopefully this confusion won't happen later in the topic.
_________________ Daughter of Sobek-Ra. Student of Crowley's Thoth Tarot.Assisted Trance Journeywoman. Queen of Sparkles. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. (Survey, not advice.) Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:18 pm |
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I actually don't see the reply Elia has given you as advice, she actually asks how you work with him if you don't use that method... I am not sure if you realise this, but you come across in your posts as quite rude. This is a friendly forum, with friendly members and staff, and because of this quite often we will give our Opinions (advice is completley different - you have asked for our opinions on this) Elias opinion is that if he has asked you not to you shouldn't... Perhaps a more prudent method would of been to first ask people if they would mind answering some questions, and also giving a run down of what it is you are looking for. In order for our forums to remain friendly and welcoming, and to keep our topics running, people will often ask for clarification or more information - as in real life, the conversations will end up being 2 way... However, I will answer the questions you have asked of us. Maybe we can build a good topic and get some good conversation going... Are you capable of lucid dreaming at the present time? Have you ever been capable of lucid dreaming in the past, and/or are you currently learning to dream lucidly? I have had a few lucid dreams, although the older I get the less it happens. I am currently exerimenting with different ways of lucid dreaming, but not having much luck... If you are capable of lucid dreaming, do you use this time to contact either your deity/ies, totem animal or spirit guides? Do you use this time to contact ancestors? Do you use this time for any spiritual purpose at all, or do you just "play" with your dreams? Again, as I am only learning, the time that I manage it I go with the flow of it. All of my work contacting deities, guides etc is done through meditation and spell work... If you answered 'yes' to the above, do you believe that it is an out-of-body experience, or do you believe that you remain within the realms of your own layers of consciousness, and the being comes to you on a new level of communication? If you answered 'no', what do you think it would be if you did it? As Elia said, OBE's would be a completley different experience. There are many many planes of exsistence, and I believe that any kind of dream/psychic/medium etc work is done via one of these. But of course, these are all experianced and accessed through your own conciousness. If you are not capable of lucid dreaming, or you don't use it to contact spiritual beings, do you believe that it is possible to do so? Do you believe that it is fruitful to do so? Do you think that the spiritual beings which you are personally attached to would be open to contact through a dream? (For example, would your deity or spirit guide just call you "stupid" for "wasting a good night's sleep"? That's Sobek-Ra's opinion of the idea of me ever trying it! ) I don't believe my deities would ever call me ''stupid''. They come to me at times, other times I reach them - sometimes purposly (through meditation and ritual) and other times accidently (when dreaming) I think any deity/spirit/guide could be open to all sorts of communication, and will always find a way to communicate. I am a big believer in We create our own realities - if someone believes something will work it will. The deities that choose to work with us will also find the best way to work with us - even if it is in a way they don't particually like, they will do it if they want you... As you can see from the rest of the forum, we are a hugley diverse bunch here, and we all have different beliefs and practices. No 2 answers you get for this will be the same, but we have to remember we are using a cold method of talking, so we should be extra careful with how we write things... Blessings Melba Admin, Moderator, Mentor-Coordinator and Mentor _________________ 
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. (Survey, not advice.) Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:43 pm |
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Can you please explain the term lucid dreaming? I don't get what you want to say or what does that mean..
In my opinion (for now, that's why I am asking what do ya mean by that) lucid dream is a contradiction in terms..ya can't dream while you are lucid..
As for the last part, deities can contact ya by any means they think appropriate, that's why they are deities. How ya can contact them, that's another story.
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. (Survey, not advice.) Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:28 pm |
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Wyrdwitch wrote: I can't think of a better place to post this than a Wiccan forum with a subforum dedicated to dreaming, which is good, because I've been wondering for a while. I've been asked not to actively attempt to have a lucid dream by Sobek-Ra, so I'm after some third-party tidbits.
Are you capable of lucid dreaming at the present time? Have you ever been capable of lucid dreaming in the past, and/or are you currently learning to dream lucidly?
1. Yes,I can do lucid dreaming.
If you are capable of lucid dreaming, do you use this time to contact either your deity/ies, totem animal or spirit guides? Do you use this time to contact ancestors? Do you use this time for any spiritual purpose at all, or do you just "play" with your dreams?
2. I have spoken to my deceased Father and had tea with him also a very close girlfriend who was killed in a boating accident. She explained that she was in a place where she was recovering untill she could move on to the next plane.
If you answered 'yes' to the above, do you believe that it is an out-of-body experience, or do you believe that you remain within the realms of your own layers of consciousness, and the being comes to you on a new level of communication? If you answered 'no', what do you think it would be if you did it?
3. Not an Out of Body experience, not astral travel. I do that too. Lucid dreaming is realising you are dreaming and you take control of the dream
If you are not capable of lucid dreaming, or you don't use it to contact spiritual beings, do you believe that it is possible to do so? Do you believe that it is fruitful to do so? Do you think that the spiritual beings which you are personally attached to would be open to contact through a dream? (For example, would your deity or spirit guide just call you "stupid" for "wasting a good night's sleep"? That's Sobek-Ra's opinion of the idea of me ever trying it!
4. Not a waste of time, how do you think I escape those damned Zombies!
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. (Survey, not advice.) Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:08 am |
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Wyrdwitch wrote: Do you think that the spiritual beings which you are personally attached to would be open to contact through a dream? (For example, would your deity or spirit guide just call you "stupid" for "wasting a good night's sleep"? That's Sobek-Ra's opinion of the idea of me ever trying it! ) I am not sure I would want to be associated with any deity or spirit guide who would call me stupid, for any reason as ridiculous as this, and it would make me seriously question any relationship I had with them. And to be clear, that is an opinion not advice.
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. (Survey, not advice.) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:11 am |
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 You lot sure are a rude bunch. MysticWicks is a far, far superior pagan forum, it'd seem. Hah. _________________ Daughter of Sobek-Ra. Student of Crowley's Thoth Tarot.Assisted Trance Journeywoman. Queen of Sparkles. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. (Survey, not advice.) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:05 am |
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Wyrdwitch wrote: :roll: You lot sure are a rude bunch. MysticWicks is a far, far superior pagan forum, it'd seem. Hah. I'm sorry but this truly made me cackle.. If you think what has been said here is Rude and that these beautiful individuals are Rude then I guess I am considered the Anti-Christ or something lovely like that.. I am just a bit baffled at your direct comments which can be considered Rude themselves.. although I just chalked it up to different way of communicating. When you ask for something you will obviously receive different information based on the individuals perception of your words and if you are not clear in what you desire and even if you are at times you still get different perceptions regardless if it was what you wanted or not. Sometimes it may not be what you wanted but what others on the forum could benefit from. It just saddens me that we cant move past this and discuss what could be an interesting topic. I'd answer your survey here but then it may not be what you are seeking so I best not. I think there is a place for everyone but if you have a superior attitude and think you are higher than others or you get perturbed because you don't get your way or something doesn't get answered the way you like it to be then maybe the Superiority complex of a different place is best suited for you? I'm not sure, you are most welcomed here and again I'd like to think that your perception of a 'Rude Bunch' is just a misunderstanding on your part because truly I have not seen anything 'Rude' be posted.
Maybe you could shift the topic and post your answers to your own and expand on them and we could start a discussion or get a better understanding of the space you are communicating from!
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Melba
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. (Survey, not advice.) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:37 am |
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Wyrdwitch wrote: :roll: You lot sure are a rude bunch. MysticWicks is a far, far superior pagan forum, it'd seem. Hah. I agree with Michael on this...I am very sorry, but your original post (and answers to Elia) were extreemly rude - yet, instead of actually replying to what others have said, and asked you, you decide to insult our forum further??? Perhaps it would be more condusive to actually look at the replies you have been given, and try to salvage what could be an amazingly interesting topic...and maybe explian what it is you are looking for in a friendly and kindly way. Oh, and for the record, this is the nicest, least judgemental pagan forum I have come across - but perhaps, if the content and rudeness of your original post is anything to go on, this other forum must be overall quite rude. I have even paused in writing this reply, and I still cannot find where is so rude? Yes, you yourself was called out for rudeness - perhaps it is this that does not sit well... Anyway, opinions aside, I would like to gain a topic from this - if we can. However, I would just like to point out, that the post you have made is actually against our site rules and guidelines - we do not allow inflammatory posts against other members OR the forum as a whole. I do hope you can come back and answer some of the questions that were put to you, and maybe salvage this topic Blessings, _________________
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. (Survey, not advice.) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:06 pm |
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Well, now i think I will chime in her, not to be bashing, but the rudeness of the orginal poster has gotten under my skin quite a bit. If you put a post up here, expect to get answers and advice, after all that is what the moderators and mentors and other members are here for is to answer questions. I do not think anyone has been rude in answering you at all, but I did note the rudeness and sarcasm in your post, especially back to Elia. All that aside, no one here has ever been rude to me and I take offence at the imflammatory post you made about it. So can the rest of us take this subject and use if for the reason it was started, I myself have never lucid dreamed that I know of , but would definitely like to find out more about it!!!  _________________  Hold up your torch, Dark Goddess of the Underworld, that your Light may shine the way to my rebirth----Moderator----
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Post subject: Re: Lucidity and Contact. (Survey, not advice.) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:49 pm |
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T.Q.Blackthorn wrote: Can you please explain the term lucid dreaming? I don't get what you want to say or what does that mean..
In my opinion (for now, that's why I am asking what do ya mean by that) lucid dream is a contradiction in terms..ya can't dream while you are lucid..
As for the last part, deities can contact ya by any means they think appropriate, that's why they are deities. How ya can contact them, that's another story. This subject has always fascinated me as I find myself in this state more often than I'd like to and surprisingly TQ, you CAN dream while being lucid! Here is the bare bones definition of lucid dreaming according to Wiki: "A lucid dream is any dream in which one is aware that one is dreaming." It states that in a lucid dream a person may be able to have some control over their dream being able to "manipulate their imaginary experiences in the dream environment." It states that lucid dreams are very vivid and realistic and that higher amounts of beta-1 frequency (13-19 Hz) is experienced by lucid dreamers causing an increased amount of activity in the parietal lobes and making lucid dreaming a conscious process. It has been scientifically researched and its existence is very established.
Further definition says that lucid dreaming can begin in two ways: "A dream-initiated lucid dream starts as a normal dream, and the dreamer eventually concludes it is a dream. A wake-initiated lucid dream occurs when the dreamer goes from a normal waking state directly into a dream state, with no apparent lapse in consciousness." And THAT brings me to the question as to the differences and similarities of lucid dreaming compared to "daydreaming" ~~~
No survey, no advice, no rudeness ~ moving right along ~ the abilities of lucid dreaming and how it is compared to daydreaming ~ would love OPINIONS 
Oh yeah - I also agree with you TQ regarding deity contacting you verses your contacting them - whether you are awake or not!!
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