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Lindsay
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Post subject: wisconsin's recall election  Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:57 pm |
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here in my home state of wisconsin we are holding a historic election to recall our governor on tuesday. there have only been 3 of its kind in us history. all three times the governors were recalled. this doesn't surprise me because in order to have this type of election a petition has to circuate and gather something like 150,000 signatures. (i can't remember the exact number) so it truly is an election for the people by the people. people here are very passionate about this election because the new laws, reforms and cuts to things like education and other programs effect us (the people of wisconsin) what i'm wondering is if anyone outside the state has heard about what is going on here, what they have heard and what their opinion is as an outsider?
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dreamweaver200011
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Post subject: Re: wisconsin's recall election Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:40 am |
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Oh yeah, we hear all about it over here in South Dakota. Many states are trying to follow WI, ours included, and its getting about the same results - right now its the Republicans fighting the Republicans ~ very interesting 
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Daisy Sthenias
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Post subject: Re: wisconsin's recall election Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:10 am |
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I don't know the specifics of this case, but I find the reactions to cuts very interesting in general.
What people need to understand is that cuts are better than nothing at all. Without cuts, the monies governments have will not last as long (or the debts they are creating to cover public spending are going to increase).
It's unfortunate, but I think people should wake up to the fact we live in a very different world now. We should work together towards sustainability rather than waste time and resources on replacing politicians. Afterall, you'd only be replacing them with another politician - and really, they are all the same.
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dreamweaver200011
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Post subject: Re: wisconsin's recall election Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:25 pm |
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Daisy Sthenias wrote: What people need to understand is that cuts are better than nothing at all. Without cuts, the monies governments have will not last as long (or the debts they are creating to cover public spending are going to increase).
It's unfortunate, but I think people should wake up to the fact we live in a very different world now. We should work together towards sustainability rather than waste time and resources on replacing politicians. Afterall, you'd only be replacing them with another politician - and really, they are all the same. Mel posts some of the things going on in the UK on Facebook and I follow a lot of your posts as well as read from several different news sources about all the politics going on here in the US, Europe and generally the world over and your last statement is the greatest truth ~ one politician these days doesn't seem to be any better than the one before,,,,but even in politics one would hope for some improvement, somewhere, sometime,,,,
I don't think it is the cuts so much as what they are cutting verses what they are allowing to be expended ~ therein lies all the infighting and "party" BS and divisions. We have had a lot of our schools shut down, teachers laid off and most all of the athletic programs wiped completely away by our state governments cuts - but the communities that have been hit the hardest are the ones who are actually surviving it the best through community/family participation -- but even they are not immune to lack of funding.
What has taken the European continent thousands of years to develop in terms of class separation is what the US is now beginning to experience because it has finally allowed its political system to shift enough to allow class warfare to make it governance ineffective.
What people are discovering that works the best is exactly what you said Daisy, to "work together towards sustainability". I think as far as federal assistance goes our state is 49 of 50 and we get the least and yet our unemployment rate is less than 4.5% and one of the lowest in the nation. Being a farming state has much to do with that, but I think its the ethics of a farming community and their mindset that it takes a village to build good roots that has our state population move-in rate up by 20%.
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Lindsay
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Post subject: Re: wisconsin's recall election Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:22 pm |
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Its not just the cuts people are upset about. A big power house in this election is the labor unions. What actually started this movement was the governor taking the unions collective bargaining rights away. Then came the cuts. After that came things like changing sex ed to teach absteinence instead of contriception. Putting strict regulatinons on chemical abortions so strict that most doctors won't perform them anymore. He also repealed the fair pay act which guarentees equal pay to women. He said it is more important to men to be the bread winners and women tend to put their careers on hold to raise families so when they return to the work place the men have been working longer. Our governor also is corupt. He is the only governor to have a criminal defense fund and right now he's being investigated for lying to congress. There is also a secret illegal email network that 6 of his eployees have been indited on he' s being investigated on that as well. So thats it in a nut shell
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Daisy Sthenias
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Post subject: Re: wisconsin's recall election Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:35 pm |
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All good point, and certainly not what I would have voted for. But... Quote: After that came things like changing sex ed to teach absteinence instead of contriception. Putting strict regulatinons on chemical abortions so strict that most doctors won't perform them anymore. Unsurprising...he is a Republican whose campaign for office was supported by pro-life movements. He won the election with his views on these matters fully public, so I can only assume the majority of those who voted wanted these kind of policies. That's how democracy works, the majority rules  Quote: He also repealed the fair pay act which guarentees equal pay to women. He said it is more important to men to be the bread winners and women tend to put their careers on hold to raise families so when they return to the work place the men have been working longer. Again, unsurprising...given traditional Republican attitudes about "family" values, it doesn't surprise me that he wants women at home rather than in the work place. Not being worthwhile to work is one way of going about that. Not right, but it happens. Quote: Our governor also is corupt. I would be more surprised to find ANY politician who isn't to a greater or lesser extent! Quote: A big power house in this election is the labor unions. What actually started this movement was the governor taking the unions collective bargaining rights away. Oh I do love the topic of labour unions! I could go on all day, but I'll try and be succinct. Labour unions have done as much harm as good. My favourite example is that of News International and the Wapping Dispute: The print workers were skilled and were paid accordingly, but the unions wanted more. I've personally interviewed former printworkers who will admit to getting double time for hours they didn't work (because there was no work for them to do, but their unions had contractual overtime payments arrangements with the employees under threat of strike action), they had a sweet life in comparison to many other industry workers at the time. But the unions got a bit big for their boots and largely forced the workers to strike when their demands weren't met, whether the demands had been agreed by the workers or not. It resulted in the death of the manual skilled print industry in this country, with thousands made unemployed when the employers decided to invest in quicker and cheaper print technology. Oh heck, the unions pretty much killed all of the manufacturing industry in this country due to ever increasing demands over and above the profit making capacity of the industries themselves. Don't get me wrong. I believe in unions and have acted as both a union rep and steward in various jobs. Unions made the workplace safer, fairer and provided workers with security and peace of mind. But I've seen it first hand, asking for the sake of asking rather than working towards the best solution for everyone. It's complex, and a fine line to walk...but mistakes are made by unions everywhere and it should be recognised that they are not perfect. _________________
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Let fools act aimlessly and without cause. Thou shouldst, in the present, contemplate the future.
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Lindsay
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Post subject: Re: wisconsin's recall election Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:08 pm |
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A lot of people feel the way you do, Daisy  That is one of the reasons the race is so close. I Can't wait to see the results on Tuesday! _________________ Wicca Revealed Mentor PM me anytime! FOLLOW MY INSPERATIONAL BLOG!!! http://lindsayrebel.tumblr.com/
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Daisy Sthenias
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Post subject: Re: wisconsin's recall election Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:11 pm |
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For anyone who's following this...seems that Scott Walker fella won. Here's a link to an article which followed the election through: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/06/wisconsin-recall-election-results-live?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487_________________
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Let fools act aimlessly and without cause. Thou shouldst, in the present, contemplate the future.
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Post subject: Re: wisconsin's recall election Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:27 pm |
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Walker may have won the recall election ~ but the GOP are the ones plastering the win everywhere 
I guess that's why I never was very good at politics - momma said if you can't say something nice - then don't say it --- mummmmmm, zipped lips 
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Daisy Sthenias
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Post subject: Re: wisconsin's recall election Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:05 am |
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All those millions of dollars spent on this...I can think of better ways to spend money!
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Post subject: Re: wisconsin's recall election Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:35 am |
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Me too!! It's a shame our politicians can't see that!
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