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Post subject:  Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:56 am |
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I would opt to heal the one incurable disease which is ignorance - but meh lol  _________________ PM me any time!
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:37 am |
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like in my signature - timendi causa est nescire - ignorance is the cause of fear - and what people who are afraid are willing and capable of doing is truly terrifying. I like that idea Torey - time and date? 
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:14 am |
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So Tory, can we put together some type of healing ritual for people in general. Can you spearhead it and advertise it through this site since your with administration. We can pick a time and date. I know many would be willing to participate if guidelines and such were set up. Please.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:16 am |
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Sure! I'm for any time and date so it's really up to what everyone else can come up with - but as for advertising it, we can do that here and at MagickaSpace  _________________ PM me any time!
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:11 am |
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Mabon may be a good day...?
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:36 am |
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I would opt for just about any day that everyone else agrees with, ISO2 What about the actual ritual? Let's try to outline exactly what we will be striving for...suggestions? _________________ PM me any time!
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:43 pm |
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I think Mabon would be a great day to do it!
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:52 pm |
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back to what the goal should be...as there are many different poeple with man different viewpoints it would have to be a rather broad subject...btw Torey I really like the idea of doing something against the general ignorance...
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:50 pm |
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[quote="WhiteFox"]A civilian does not need an assault rifle  That guy's ridiculous.
(I would prefer to use harsher words to more accurately describe the situation, but my being a mod doesn't allow it, lol)[/quote
Any law abiding, honest, mentaly compitent citizen of the United States is should be entitled toown any type of firearm that they want to own. The constitution defines it as an INALIENABLE right. That is a right that is a birthright of a free person and the government can not deny it. Besides, he was not carrying an, "assault rifle", it was a semi-automatic copy of a military type rifle. An assault rifle is defined as being, select fire"; meaning it is capable of bot full or semi-automatoc fire. I am a gunsmith and I work for the U.S. Army, so I kinda have some idea of what I am talking about on the subject.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:02 pm |
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Morgane, I am entirely understandable to the points you made in this quote. That being said, do you know that if a robber comes into your home and you find him/her leaving, with their back towards you and you shoot them in the back to stop them from leaving with your things, you can be prosecuted! All joking aside, the robber is able to take you to court and claim that you tried to kill him, commit murder because his/her back was turned to you.
In the good ol' U S of A. . .we are living in a criminal's world. The laws usually protect the majority of the innocent folk, but bring in outside factors such as guns, and everything changes. I recommend a really excellent movie: Felon. Let's you see inside the world of using guns as a means of a protection.
Why can't we all just get along
This is such a sensitive subject, it's quite hard not to rattle someone's cage.[/quote]
Sad but for the most part true. It depends a lot on what state you reside in though. In most places they hold that once there is no longer an immedeate threat to your life or wellbeing you are no longer justified in using deadly force. I have seen cases where the victim actually gave chase, left their property and shot a fleeing fellon and got away with it; totaly suprised me but it has happened.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:13 pm |
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ISO2 wrote: oh such an interesting topic...America and its love for guns. It is a topic that anyone living outside the US has a v. hard time understanding. I now live here in the US for 10 years and still do not fully understand it. I personally do not carry a gun but that is largely due to the fact that years of martial arts have taught me better ways to take care of myself. Without that knowledge I probably would consider it. On a different level I do not understand how a country can let it get that far that police departments have inferior guns to criminals. I do not understand how one of the richest, most prosperous countries ever can let its society degenerate to a point where a lot of people feel that guns are the only way to feel safe. I do not understand the need for anyone to own a military assault rifle. I do not understand how society as a whole has allowed it to get to a point where the value of life is held in such low esteem. It is like the old saying: If you are not outraged you are not listening. Living in this country feels like the 60s civil rights movement has drained all will for politcal resistance and there is nothing left. If people thought Vietnam was not OK what are they thinking about the wars right now? I feel this society is too tired, too consumed with itself to do anything. We just again had another 6 year old killed by stray bullets and exactly nothing happened. No protests nothing.
OK end of rant
Love and peace to all
It's all very simple to explain. The second amendment was put into the constitution because our forefathers knew that an armed society is a free society and can not be enslaved by dictators and despots. This being a nation of the people for the people means the power is supposed to lie in the hands of the people not the government. Govenments become corrupt.
As far as the valueof life thing goes; it is not because the average citizen does not value human life, it's because they know that the criminal element does not. There can not be a cop on every corner, so if a person is not going to take on the responsibility to defend themselves and their loved ones, they are at the mercy of the crimminal.
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy to carry.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:19 am |
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Quote: I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy to carry.
It's all the doughnuts they eat (jk)
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:32 am |
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Your forefathers lived in a very different time and society has evolved since. I am rather certain that the average person in Afghanistan for example is more heavily armed than the average person in US. Back in Austria where I come from, weapons are rather uncommon but we are not lacking freedom because of it.
And please let us not get into what the average citizen does versus the criminal element as if these two could be seperated so easily. The average citizen has allowed large parts of urban America to be handed over to gangs, poverty and near lawless conditions. The average citizen has allowed for a vast gap in income distribution. The average citizen is the one who allows the so called criminal element to prosper. Maybe just maybe if the average citizen had not elected Bush for a second term our troops might have been home sooner and that money could have used better. [OK that is a huge maybe].
On a larger level, America did buy into the belief that more guns bring freedom. Tell me, did you feel more freedom when America and Russia raced to death, producing more and bigger guns and bombs everyday or do you feel more freedom now? From a personal level I can tell I feel more freedom now that Russia has pulled back and no longer plans to march right through my hometown as soon as the first shot is fired.
And finally, I do not carry a gun. I am not ready to take a human life unless I absolutely have to and then I do not need a gun.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:27 pm |
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Is there anything that we can't blame on George Bush? That was lame, real lame.
Do not blame the average citizen for the slums, gangs and crimminal element either. It is leanient courts, unprincipled lawers, orginizations like the ACLU, crooked politicians/police, not the average citizen. No, it's not the average citizen that allows the crimminal element to prosper; the average citizen would rather see the criminal element off the streets and locked up.
I really don't care how things are in Austria. I care how things are here in the U.S.A. Things are different here, so don't bring in any comparisons. However, don't forget how easy it was for your fellow countryman Adolf Hitler to take control of Germany/Austria after he banned civilian ownership of guns in the name of, "law and order".
Yes I feel very free and very safe because I am armed.
Please don't get all rilled up at me; no one is going to force you to carry a gun. That is your choice and you are welcome to it, just do not try to take my right to carry one away. That is my choice and right and I am very very protective of it. In fact I would welcome you to live next door to me. I would post a sign stating that the neighbor is unarmed go rob him, and my house would be safe.
Neither am I ready to take a human life unless I absolutley have to.
What, you think because I arm myself I am just going to go out and look for some one to kill. No I don't want to kill anyone but if I must to protect myself or my loved ones, I will be prepared, trainned and will not hesitate.
I am glad that you do not need a gun to defend yourself. I am 61 years old and I have yet to see anyone karate chop a bullet out of the air nor have I seen anyone talk an assailant to death. So if the person meaning to do you harm is armed with a firearm, it may be kinda handy to be on equal footing. As I said before it's a free country and the choice is yours. We have very differing opinions, so we will have to agree to disagree. I am very passionate about this subject and I would really hate to see the discussion get ugly.
And no, I would not say that society has evolved all that much.
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Quote: It's all very simple to explain. The second amendment was put into the constitution because our forefathers knew that an armed society is a free society and can not be enslaved by dictators and despots. This being a nation of the people for the people means the power is supposed to lie in the hands of the people not the government. Govenments become corrupt.
Let me start by saying that I don't like guns, don't own one and probably wouldn't be able to shoot another human being even if I were attacked. But once you stand opposite the forces of your government with nothing but a cardboard protest sign while they are in full riot gear with shields, guns and water throwers (so happened in East Germany 1989), you start to appreciate the logic above. I wonder if the socialist block would have lasted as long as it did if the people of Hungary and the Czech Republik had had guns in 1953. On the other hand, the bloodshed may have been even worse...
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