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 Post subject: The death of Osama Bin Laden
 Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:59 pm 
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I've been away for a while, and I'm surprised nobody posted anything about this. I have been struggling with how to feel about it personally because I am an american and he hurt my country so bad and was responsible for the deaths of so many. And as my country has broke out in celebration, I wonder how can we celebrate anyones death. And then it brought me to the "harm none" rule. Is it okay that he died because we are stopping one man from killing many more, or is it wrong that I should be okay with that. What are your thoughts on this issue and how do you feel?

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 Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:05 pm 
 
I too started to struggled a little with this when it first came out. Then I remembered what he did as a terrorist to our country and went into hiding from the wrong he did. And considering the many people he has hurt I have come to (in my mind) he is like any other criminal that has been delt with.
I don't condone killing but in these circumstances I think he left no choice really.


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I think that he never saw himself as a terrorist...and I also think that this is no motive for celebration..not because death is no motive for celebration (in some cultures it is), but because he will be replaced...

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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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hmmm... when i first heard the news, I tried to find the 'joy' as the rest of the world seemed to be doing... I felt that finally the world was free from his tyranny and fear...

But something didnt sit right with that. I didnt feel right trying to feel like that. There are too many questions in my mind. Religious hatred, and crimes caused because of religious beliefs have raged for years and years.

Murder is Murder in my eyes. Every human being deserves a fair and proper trial. IMO he should of been captured and tried, and incarcerated for his crimes. No matter a persons crimes, or a persons beliefs, I dont think we ever have the right to decide this person deserves to die. Or to feel happy that they have gone (for the wrong reasons - as T.Q said in some cultures it is the custom to feel happy).

I can't help but wonder why now. Why after all these years. And no body? No closure for his family? Because he still had a family, a family who probally feels horrified by what he did - because a mothers love holds no bounds, has no conditions.

I think thatit was probally the only possible outcome for this situation, and its not that I think anybody is wrong for celebrating, or feeling some sense of relief - its just it dosnt sit right with me.

I also can't help but wait in anticipation for the backlash. The video footage of his hideout that was released, he looked like a scared, decrepid old man. What if he was the only thing stopping futher attempts? We will never know the full story, ad i dont like that. I dont like that so much is concealed.

I dont feel anbody should feel like its wrong to be okay with it. In all honsety, i'm ok with it. I dont particually like it, I dont particually rejoce in it, but I dont feel in any way sad.

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ps : I also find the jokes, and the comments going round completly disrespectful. Whatever someone has done in life, in death it ends.

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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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My first thought was "Its about time"

One man causes the death of thousands, not just Americans, but even his own people, IMO he got what was coming to him.

Sorry but some people deserve death and he was definitely one of them.

Yes I celebrated the news, I hope it helps end the war, our troops come home, and that country can rebuild and prosper, (probably wont happen, their has always been civil unrest there) but just the same its what id hope to happen.
And I dont feel bad for feeling good about the troops finally getting him. Do you all remember the guy that was captured and they cut his head off? You could watch that on the Internet (I refused) Thats a horrible thing to here about, and then the coverage on 911, people jumping out of the windows, can you imagine how the people in that plane felt knowing they were going to die??
And osama bin laden laughed!!!! Well I had quite a smile when I herd they got him.

Sorry but its just how I feel.
I feel more sympathy for all the suffering of the families that have been broken, but not an ounce for osama.
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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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My perception is definitely not going to be the majority nor will it tickle the fancy of some but it is my own perception. I think its sort of ill of us to rejoice in a death regardless of the circumstances. We teach our children two wrongs don't make a right. So what are we teaching them in this? Theres so many pathways that we can go down that will support many systems of belief but my own I just don't think its so well in celebrating. I understand why people have and they have for so many different reasons but there are also those who are glorified in the death of this individual. I see a lot of 'victim' mode going on as well. You know I believe that everything happens for a reason and that we manifest and co-manifest our realities so I believe everyone had a choice in what goes on. I think that the mass energy that we as a whole put out came forth and manifested how it did so I will not give power to an individual who played a part in it. I will not give full power over to any individual knowing what I know. One can say his death saves lives.. but then again his death could also take even more lives. It all depends on how you look at it and how things unfold. I guess I just don't have that 'hate' in me to really fire any sort of 'justification' for another being to be put to death. But It happened and as I state, Everything does happen for a reason. My perceptions and re-actions tell a lot about where I am and where I desire to go so I am glad that I can understand this aspect of myself, knowing that I don't revel in anothers death regardless of their actions. But this is my path and mine alone. It is as it should be :)


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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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I here ya Bro.

You make very good points

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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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i gess im glad he is outa the way, but at the same time we are party responsible for his action in the first place so i belive that they should of feed him 1 meal a day and locked him up to never see the light of day again, on a little island no one knows about.

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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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I'm going to have to side with Michael on this one. The whole "eye for an eye" thing doesn't sit well with me. And my son is still to young to understand 9/11 or the fact that osama bin laden is dead. And I am greatful for this because Adam has family in New York and his grandmother died two days later and him and his family attribute it to the chaos and think that pushed her over the edge. So for him, he was happy he was dead. How could I explain that to my son. Yeah, daddy's happy but Mom thinks it was wrong partly because of our religious beliefs? And it wasn't fully my religious beliefs, but I think my values. I'm against capital punishment... what makes this any different? Anyway I just wanted to get some thoughts on this.

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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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although glad he can no longer do any harm, i cant celebrate his death! i would much have preferred that he was captured and put on trial. however saying that i can see why he was killed and why people have been celebrating! everyone is going to have a different view on this, he was a man who could provoke terrible emotions when he was alive and unfortunately is still doin it now!


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It happened. Everything happens for a reason. Time will reveal the truth of the reason. I didn't celebrate but I didn't mourn either. I had an odd detached feeling about it that I have rarely experienced upon hearing about the death of a human being. Do I think the world might be a better place without him in it??? Yes, but again time will tell.

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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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I have to whole heartedly agree with Elia V and respect to the Michael for his words too.
I do believe that a wrong doing should be avenged, but then I follow the ancient norse beliefs and in the case of Bin Laden it was just deserts. It was bound to happen, he was a clever man and in all probability knew that he would be found eventually.
I didn't celebrate the news of his death, my instant reaction was 'about time'. I have no problem with the lack of trial and to be put into prison would have been a waste of public money. He was a cold blooded murderer who gave no thought to the many lives he destroyed...those he murdered and the families left behind. 'An eye for an eye...'....justice was served!

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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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i saw a quote that best summed it up for me, im probly gonna butcher it but you'll get the point,lol....

i will mourn the loss of thousands, but i will not rejoice in the death of one....


i believe in justice and retribution. but something about this all feels "off" to me too honestly. and seriously HOW DO WE KNOW he really is dead???!!! cuz they told us so???!!!
i have to wonder about the validity and truth of what we are being told....

i do feel horrible for those involved, my moms new husband worked ground zero as an EMT; his life was forever changed by it. and yeah, he did rejoice when the news about osamas death came. but i cant blame him for that! who could....

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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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Just to lighten things up a bit, you should watch SNL and Jimmy Fallon make fun of the whole situation with a SNL skit featuring the reading of Osama's will and Jimmy Fallon's take on the absudity of President Obama having to prove that he killed someone. So that brings up another question. Do you think it's in bad taste to make jokes about it or do you think that it's simply a human way to deal with it?

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 Post subject: Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden
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A while ago (I don't remember the year), an infamous gangland criminal was shot dead in broad daylight. For the life of me, I don't remember his name, but it's still in the news every now and then as a short mention. When he died, people all over my state were making jokes about his death, saying that he got what was coming to him, that he deserved to be shot, et cetera.

A news channel later interviewed his daughter, a little girl who didn't understand the gang activity that he was involved in. She didn't understand why her daddy had been killed. To her, it wasn't a gangland criminal who had been killed. It wasn't a vile sub-human who had been killed. It was her father. It was the man who had raised her.

I'm not American, and maybe that's colouring my opinion of this quite heavily, but I don't think that it's right to rejoice in Osama Bin Laden's death at all. He had a family, he had friends; to those he was close to, he wasn't a terrorist, but he was a friend, he was a person they knew and cared about. Regardless of the crimes that a person commits, that person does not deserve to have their death celebrated in the manner that people have been celebrating Bin Laden's death.

I'm all for celebrating death as the next step in the cycle of life - and I think that it should be celebrated; I'm one for wearing an entire rainbow to a funeral. The manner of celebration that's going on around Bin Laden's death is inappropriate, in my opinion, though - it's celebration of the destruction of a life, not of the passing of a life into the next stage.

I understand that he hurt a lot of people - my aunt was injured (but thankfully survived) in the 9/11 catastrophe. I understand that his actions are reprehensible and incomprehensible to those who don't share his views. I understand that it's a relief for many that he's dead, and I understand that many feel safer now that he's dead. He was still a human being, though, and did not deserve to be treated like a rabid animal; nor does he deserve the cruel celebrations he's earning now.

This is all just my opinion, though; I simply don't believe it's right to celebrate death in the manner his death is being celebrated, and I don't believe that he was treated appropriately as a human being by the military at all. I'm not celebrating his death, and nor am I mourning; I'm simply pretending that he never existed. It's the politest thing that I can personally do.

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