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 Post Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:46 pm 
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I have alot of questions so I decided to merge it all into one thread, feel free to respond with anything at all. I don't want to be a nuisance so on with the questions!

1. I have a 40 inch bamboo rod, would it count as a staff or a wand and what are ideal things to decorate it with, instead of a crystal on the top I was thinking of tying a turtle shell on to the tip as a sign of protection, say a prayer of thanks to the turtle and maybe leave offerings. ill get the turtle shell from here
http://www.boneroom.com/misc/remnants.htm
is this a good idea?

2. can I devote a ritual to a phoenix or is it possible to have a phoenix as a patron? and is it possible to contact a phoenix in a meditation?

3. I'm not sure yet if i believe in the gods and goddesses in a literal sense, but I know i believe in a spiritual or divine energies and some mythical creatures spiritually, should i wait until i attempt to contact a god/goddess i feel comfortable with until I believe in them completely or not?

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 Post subject: Re: newbie questions
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We love questions so please don't hold back :D

I'll take a stab at number three (soz, don't have time for them all right now, might come back to them later!)...

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3. I'm not sure yet if i believe in the gods and goddesses in a literal sense, but I know i believe in a spiritual or divine energies and some mythical creatures spiritually, should i wait until i attempt to contact a god/goddess i feel comfortable with until I believe in them completely or not?


Some people are hard polytheists (which means they believe in literal multiple deities), some people are soft polytheists (which means they believe that the "Gods" are facets of some kind of divine source, so parts of a whole rather than an actual whole seperate being). Then some people are duotheists (which means they *usually* believe in a divine feminine and a divine masculine). No one is wrong :)

I believe in some so called "mythical" creatures. I'm sure others do too, so no problems there!

I would wait until you feel comfortable, regardless of whether you "completely" believe in them or not. If you are comfortable with attempting communion with a deity then do so, it may even help you realise what you do believe.

Hope that is of some help!

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 Post subject: Re: newbie questions
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Just Peace wrote:

I don't want to be a nuisance so on with the questions!

It is never a nuisance to ask questions else how do you learn?
Just Peace wrote:
1. I have a 40 inch bamboo rod, would it count as a staff or a wand and what are ideal things to decorate it with, instead of a crystal on the top I was thinking of tying a turtle shell on to the tip as a sign of protection, say a prayer of thanks to the turtle and maybe leave offerings. ill get the turtle shell from here
http://www.boneroom.com/misc/remnants.htm
is this a good idea?

You can use any material you are comfortable with in making either a staff or a wand so bamboo is acceptable if that is what you are comfortable with. The average size of a wand ranges from 10" to 15", some more, some less and the average staff is considered to be a minimum of at least your own height and more although walking sticks can be quite a bit shorter. As to the decorations, again, it is your own personal choice. In Native Indian traditions, our own choices are considered personal 'medicine'. Also in the Indian ways the turtle is very sacred as it represents the North American continent or our first home, turtle island. I sense the idea you have is very similar to what Native Indians leave at certain sacred sites referred to as a Spirit Spear and yes prayers and offerings are done from the center of the circle where the Spirit Spear resides. Do exercise caution here with your parents as it could be considered "an idol" that your mother has expressed displeasure with. Making it so it resides in your room and used as a "walking stick/staff" or placed in nature away from prying eyes to maintain household harmony would be best.

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2. can I devote a ritual to a phoenix or is it possible to have a phoenix as a patron? and is it possible to contact a phoenix in a meditation?

Yes you can devote a ritual to a phoenix. Again in Native Indian culture a mythical animal is a spirit guide if that animal has come to you and is often communicated with/contacted through vision quests or meditation.

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3. I'm not sure yet if i believe in the gods and goddesses in a literal sense, but I know i believe in a spiritual or divine energies and some mythical creatures spiritually, should i wait until i attempt to contact a god/goddess i feel comfortable with until I believe in them completely or not?

I believe Daisy has given you a very comprehensive answer to your third question and all I can add to it is don't force yourself to believe in anything you are not comfortable believing in or are not ready to believe in.

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 Post subject: Re: newbie questions
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Re question #1 - before using any wood I would research what the qualities/energies of that wood are.

Re question #2 - I agree with what Dreamweaver said but I don't think a phoenix could be your patron.

Re question #3 - if you don't believe in a god/goddess completely or you aren't comfortable in trying to communicate with them they may not co-operate when you try to contact them. If you wait, as Daisy suggested, until you feel comfortable or find yourself believing in them then you would probably have a much better experience when you try to communicate with one of them.

Patience, dedication and research/reading is key.

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 Post subject: Re: newbie questions
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You've gotten some great answers :) I work with the Phoenix often so I'd like to comment on that bit :) I don't believe you can have a Phoenix as a patron as a patron from my perspective is more associated with Deities while a phoenix could be a Guide amongst other things. It is definitely possible to contact a phoenix in meditation :)

I'm not sure what you mean by not believing in deities in a literal sense but believing in divine energies... Energy is literal is it not? But If you are unsure of what you believe then I'd just wait to make actual contact with a specific deity as they have no need to prove to you that they exist so your initial contact may not even come forth because the belief or understanding/respect may not be there. I'd say meditate, take time to research, to study and let the path unravel as it would :)

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 Post subject: Re: newbie questions
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:02 am 
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thanks for the help everyone.
that was amazing, i just did a deep meditation to see if i could see anything maybe like a spirit guide or something like it.
I cast my circle and offered a jar of cinnamon sugar and sea salt to the spirits, I was in meditation for about 15-25 minutes and at first I saw 4 very massive birds each looked the size of a cargo plane flying in a circle. they gleamed lightly and only appeared as shadows in the sky. I looked around me and saw literally 100s of crows perched around me and silently staring at me I looked at them and heard a few 'caws' sound and I waited and felt an odd sense of nostalgia and all of a sudden a giant crow with about a wing span of 6-10 seemed to come out of nowhere from me as if it came to life off my skin. It appeared to have black spheres floating around it and streams of light smoke floating from it gently.
I'm definitely going to look into this more, I think the large crow might be my spirit guide and maybe the massive birds symbolize something or maybe they are deities or spirits? what do you think it means?

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 Post subject: Re: newbie questions
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I think it's an important meditation and you definitely need to figure it out. I agree Crow could be one of your animal guides. I'm not sure what the massive birds symbolize, what kind of feeling did you get when you saw them?

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 Post subject: Re: newbie questions
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At first I felt uneasy and almost scared when I saw them but I didn't think they were dangerous or anything but as the meditation went on I felt at peace and felt a sense of divine (out of reach) wisdom, I believe they might symbolize the elementals which I called to my meditation or maybe something I must overcome?

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 Post subject: Re: newbie questions
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Maybe try meditating again and calling them to you - see what happens and note how you feel. If they appear try to communicate with them if it seems OK to do so and you may find out some more.

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 Post subject: Re: newbie questions
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Ill do that tonight and respond tomorrow, I noticed there is no threads for people to share what they think (not preach) would it be okay if i made a thread for people to share their spirituality if they want?

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I like that idea. There are some similar threads, but I haven't seen that exact question yet. Sounds very interesting.

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Ill do that tonight and respond tomorrow, I noticed there is no threads for people to share what they think (not preach) would it be okay if i made a thread for people to share their spirituality if they want?


You are welcome to start a topic for a place to share your spiritual experiences ~ I can't make it a sticky at the moment as I am having technical difficulties creating announcements/sticky's and until we discover where the problem is the topic will need to have several posts continually added to not have the topic be pushed down as new topics are added,,,,

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Ill do that tonight and respond tomorrow, I noticed there is no threads for people to share what they think (not preach) would it be okay if i made a thread for people to share their spirituality if they want?



Thats what this School is for, learning and sharing new things, I love to read other in sites it helps you ponder other beliefs, I have a very open mind. You may share anything you like here, I for one like to challenge my mind, especially when its new, or something I haven't thought of.

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